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or blood vessel problems, or develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. common side effects include nausea, trouble sleeping and unusual dreams. i love myself as a non-smoker. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. . >> murder for hire plots caught on camera. >> she's got that disgrace. she disgraced everything. she disgrasd herself, family, me, you. >> in virginia, a quiet real estate agent is captured on video after asking a friend to kill his wife. >> i don't know why he didn't consider a divorce instead of murder. he looks completely satisfied and completely focused that his
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wife needed to be eliminated. >> and in new york, a mother of four, tries to hire a hitman to stage a deadly accident, involving her husband. >> i wanna make sure when the cop comes to my house i want to know what to say. >> watch up close as these lethal plans unfold, then unravel. >> you said you want him gone, not walking the earth anymore. you want him dead. >> caught on camera presents the hitman tapes. >> where'd you put the remains? >> the lake. tied up with some chains i bought from the dump yard. >> four minutes. that's the amount of under surveillance footage law enforcement needs to build a case against a 28-year-old real estate agent described by family and friends in charlottesville, virginia, as a gentle but
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misguided sole and by u.s. attorney tim haffe as a meticulous killer. >> on the tape, he is cold, he is dispassion nevada he is focused on his goal, that is having his wife eliminated out of his life. >> she's disgraced everything, herself, me, you. >> everything she touched, man, she wrecks people. >> i'm not a psychologist, but psychopaths have a lack of empathy. things that trigger in us a human reaction, a sympathetic reaction, psycopathy eliminates that. when you watch his face, listen to his voice, there is no conflict or remorse whatsoever. >> you got that coldness. >> the patrick captured on under
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surveillance camera is a far different one than the one on his facebook page snuggleing with his wife along virginia's blue ridge parkway. >> obviously, he was struggling with demons of his own. >> the assistant u.s. attorney nancy healey. >> something made him snap. >> patrick, a former boyscout from washington state meets starla both serving from virginia's langley av. >> i loved him. he was a sweetheart. >> starla's mother, regina knight has fond memories of the outdoor wedding. >> it was a beautiful day. i thought he really loved my daughter. he was a very caring son-in-law. >> after the air force, patrick and starla move into this condo complex. she takes a job as a lab technician on the historic ground of the university of virginia. he begins working at keller williams realty. >> patrick was querky, funny and
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groel and nice. >> fellow sales associate ellen pratt. >> i was as shocked as anybody could be at the final outcome of his story. >> we believe around the end of 2008, beginning of 2001, they started having some marital strife. he was saying shelves not acting as she had before, there was some allegations that she had been going through money very quickly. >> at some point they decide to take a trip to new orleans. i think that was sort of an attempt to see if they can make the marriage work. from what i understand, the trip to new orleans was actually fairly successful. >> patrick chronicles the journey on facebook, chronicleing this photo with the caption, good thing starla didn't see this. despite the innocent facade, they are exploring the transgression, of the big easy,
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eventually it leads them to the man prosecutors label witness no. 1. >> his wife had found him randomly as we understand and tried to get him to buy what i believe was cocaine at that time. >> not only does the witness claim to know the best places to purchase the drug, he introduces himself under a cousin's alias is there that was the name he used originally with he and his wife. so there were some issues with identity theft. >> patrick says the witness tells an erroneous tale about the recent deaths of his fiancee and two children. >> he and his wife had taken some pity on the witness. the witness returned to charlottesville with them and lived with them for a while. >> why is it someone you hang out in new orleans for a few days suddenly becomes your roommate thousands of miles away? that suggests, programs, there is some void that needs to be filled. again, i think the temptation in
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these cases is to try to come up with some veneer of rationality. >> the couple doesn't intend to remain in charlottesville. patrick quits his job, anticipating a permanent move to new orleans. >> they come and told me they was going to move to new orleans. they was going to sell everything and go to new orleans, they was going to open up a restaurant down there. >> in the interim, i believe they developed more marital problems so that plan zivent greated. >> as the marriage dissolves the condo becomes a stream of endless parties. >> it sound like some point both of them engaged in some extra marital sexual relationships. >> eventually starla returns to new orleans alone, moving into friends she made during the trip. patrick informs his mother-in-law about the turn of events. >> he just told me that things
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was over between them. but i never thought that i would lose him for a son-in-law, because he was such a sweet guy. >> the apartment is now the exclusive domain of patrick and the man he met in new orleans. >> cocaine was obviously a big part of the story. i believe at some point patrick got completely grandiose and thought he was ready to be king of the cocaine world start his own cartel. >> police say patrick also becomes convinced he needs his house guest to murder starla. >> they discuss the terms, which includes giving him approximately $1200 for travel expenses as well as a place to live, the condo. and when the condo was to be told, then an apartment and also the idea of starting up a drug business, a drug distribution business. >> patrick will spearhead the operation, he promises, using under world associates he claims
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to have in the state capital of richmond. >> we don't have any evidence that he did have a lot of contacts in the drug world. on the scale of murders for hire, this was not one very sophisticated. he didn't know this man very well, had no reason to really trust him with something so significant. >> but patrick cannot imagine the depth of his miscalculation, as the two listen to music and discuss the plot the witness pulls out a crude audio recorder and turns it on ♪ if you want me to kill the pitch, i will kill the pitch. can you live with that? >> i can live with that. kill the pitch. >> patrick never realizes he's being recorded. >> you want me to kill her? say it. >> kill her. >> kill her. >> kill her? >> you look at me in my eye, you want me to handle it? >> handle it. >> i think the tapes fairly show
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that the witness gave mr. as mr schmore an out. >> i don't need you five, ten years from now tripping me. >> no, man. >> i mean, it's my life, man. >> got. i mean, that's the only motherf'ing thing. >> come on, man, you know i'm solid. >> i do. >> you said what i wanted to hear. kill the pitch. >> kill the pitch. >> the witness is talking about something shocking and the witness i think understandably is trying to confirm that mr. schmore isn't joking, so there is repetition. mr. schmore frequently says, kill the pitch, kill the pitch?
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>> kill starla. >> she's f'ing ruining us. >> i married somebody else. that's not the person i married. cease a f'ing demon, dude. >> he does characterize this in military term. >> dude, iefb i i've been a warrior for a long time. i've got the heart of a warrior, she's just a f'ing casualty. >> he does talk about her as being casualty in a larger war. it's unclear to me in that war involves or who the opposite sides are in that war, is it a war of virtue versus vice, a war of him versus her? >> you minute eto kill her? >> m-hmm. kill her. kill starla r. knight. >> he is making crystal clear by using the full name that he wants this person dead. no uncertainty, no confusion. he wants this done. >> what patrick doesn't realize is the plan to sacrifice his
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charlottesville, virginia, 2009. patrick schmore, a soft spoken real estate agent makes a startling proposal to a friend, never noticing the audio recorder the man turns on as they listen to music ♪ kill the pitch. >> kill the pitch. >> kill starla. >> kill starla. >> she's f'ing .son. >> starla is starla knight,
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patrick's estranged wife, living with friends in new orleans. witness no. 1 with $1200 to travel to the big easy and literally hunt her down. >> he goes to new orleans with the $1200 that patrick schmore has given him and rather than commit the murder that he's been solicited to commit. he goes to starla and says, hey, check this out. patrick wants me to kill you. he plays for her the actual recorded conversation in which patrick does make the solicitation. >> kill the pitch. >> kill the pitch. kill her. >> he was no more of a hitman than patrick was. i don't think he ever had any intention or knowledge of how to carry this out. shortly thereafter, he walks into the local fbi office and talks with a couple of the agents that are there and provides the tape to them. >> dude, i've been a warrior for a long time. i've got the heart of a warrior,
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she's just a f'ing casualty. >> it's good to make sure the witness hadn't tampered with the tape such that they're only capturing one little spec part of the tape out of context. >> the witness is instructed to meet patrick at his new girlfriend's home in greene county to discuss the murder plot and videotape with the technology. >> a button camera is literally blended in the size of a button hole the lens is smaller. >> that button is laying on someone's stomach, so naturally that shirt is going to pro tu protrude up. you are looking for a glimpse of your perpetrator. >> the idea is to have the witness say, okay, i did what you asked me to do and to confirm, that's what was desired. so the witness went in some
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detail about how he supposed lid killed his wife >> one pop, one pop. laid down, it was over. i heard -- already in the trunk, ready for her. >> where'd you put her remains? >> the lake tied up. i bought some chains i bought from the dump yard. it just dropped so easy, man, my stomach dropped. >> when he's told his wife has been killed by the witness, he doesn't react in a histrionic way, he reacts dispassionately. he looks completely satisfied and completely focused that his wife needed to be eliminated. >> i killed your wife. >> you did what you had to do. >> no, i did it.
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>> stand strong, get through it. >> the witness does a pretty good job here. the camera does move some, but there are long stretches where it's looking right up at mr. ask more. >> you really wanted that? >> eyes. >> the witness asked him straight out, so you really wanted me to do this? i think he corroborated exactly what was recorded on the prior non-law enforcement sponsored audio tape that the witness had made. >> yeah, you got that coldness. that's right. >> a lot of times people, this is juhuman nature, you have a tendency to talk for them, finish their sentences that, is ineffective as a matter of evidence. it's important to let the target do the talking. >> she's got that disgrace. she's disgraced everything, she's disgraced herself, her family, me, you.
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>> she didn't disgrace me. >> everything she touched, man. she wrecks people. >> it would not have been nearly as effective as a matter of proof for the witness to say, i killed starla, isn't that great? and he nods his head. what was krubl was for patrick schmore out of his own mouth to voice intent. >> i'd rather she didn't get found. >> why? i did what i did. now you i'm ready to get paid, i'm ready to get paid. >> all right. >> okay, i did my part. now i'm ready to be paid. i think it completes the whole plan of a murder for hire or a murder for some type of consideration. >> can i get paid? >> yeah, man, i will soon.
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>> i node to get started, man. >> according to their agreement, patrick is soesed to take advantage of contacts he has in the state capital of richmond to set up the reported hitman in the marijuana trade. >> we're going to richmond to get 10 pounds. >> we're going to richmond? >> for 50 pounds. >> that's all? >> yes. >> oh, yeah. yeah. >> all right. >> he had been drinking, so he may have gone farther than what the fbi expected him to say. >> yeah. yeah. >> 9-and-a-half pounds. >> oh, oh. >> once we had that tape, that looks clear to us that it was time to move, that it was time to indict mr. schmore. it was time to have him face justice. >> but patrick insists the fbi under surveillance video is misleading and he's still the caring person his friends and family know a. sentiment his own
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>> one pop, one pop, it's over. >> greene county, virginia, 2009. 28-year-old patrick schmore is caught on tape listening impassively to an aparent hitman boasting about completeing an assignment, the assassination of patrick's estranged wife, starla knight. friends and relatives are baffled over the distinction of the soft spoken real estate agent as the architect of a murder for hire scheme. >> mr. schmore does not fit the profile of a killer. >> where did you put her remains? >> the lake. tied up. with some chains i bought from the dump yard. >> mm-hmm. >> it just dropped so easy, man,
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my stomach dropped. >> as the man prosecutors call witness no. 1 records him with a hidden camera, patrick reacts with calculated detachment, proof authorities say the air force veteran truly wanted his wife killed. >> i don't know why he doesn't consider divorce instead of murder. maybe there was some sort of warrior fantasy involved. maybe there is something deeper inside of him that preferred the violent option. maybe there was an antipathy. >> maintains he's nonchalant because he's afraid of a man who fabricated a story about murdering starla and throwing her body in the lake. >> i still talk to him. >> starla's mother believes her former son-in-law. >> i even talked to his mother. we was pretty much his parents and me was both in the dark with all this stuff that went on.
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it's like, you know, it's like something you'd see in a movie is the way i look at i. it just seems like it's not him in that video. >> i mean, i'd rather she didn't be found. >> mr. schmore's wife family appreciated him, liked him, thought he was a good man but there are so many defendants in court who have convinced everybody that they don't have an evil bone in their body. >> even so, patrick opts not to go to trial. >> he pled guilty to essentially murder for hire. he got nine.5 years. >> no worries. i won't say nothing to nobody, man. >> he knew we had the defendant, himself, talking on camera about the murder of his wife. that was unimpeachable. we knew we were bargaining from a position of strength. >> still patrick says the prosecutors are not considering the subtleties of his story.
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in his version, his family falls apart, starla becomes violent, erratic and a danger to herself and others. >> she's disgraced. she's disgraced everything, herself, family, me, you. >> she didn't disgrace me. >> everything she touched, man, she wrecks people. >> even after starla leaves and relocates to new orleans, patrick maintains it's the witness who orchestrates the plot. in a letter to msnbc, patrick writes, he spoke of killer women who came to murder their exs. he had through his manipulations made starla into a clear and present danger and then projected himself as the solution i eventually submitted to his way of thinking and agreed to the crime. >> it's hard to know exactly what happened, who put that idea out there, but from what the tapes show, mr. schmore was dead
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set on seeing this accomplished. >> starla did not respond to msnbc's interview request, but regina knight says her daughter forgives patrick. >> some have said, why are you defending him? you know, he was trying to kill your daughter? i just felt like this lord was in control, so why should i be angry? he didn't kill my daughter. that's the blessing of it. >> patrick accepts his fate, taking up painting as well as teachingio sga and meditation to other inmates in prison. >> he doesn't argue that he's innocent. he is chagrinned, embarrassed, so sorry and wanting to, you know, live the life that he should have been living all along. >> it's a lesson, there are probably a lot of lesssons, don't plan to kill your wife. better know your friends. >> with all the technology, all
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of the ability we have to record conversations, it's still oftentimes comes down to old fashioned witness identification. >> yeah, yeah. >> all right. >> oh. >> this case really came about because someone raised his hand. >> coming up. >> i was going to be a police officer. >> then why did this suburban mother of four attempt to hire a hitman? >> i had guns put to my head. this was something i wasn't really prepared for.
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with . let me tell you what my husband did to me. >> so you want him gone? not walking the earth anymore? >> if it's an accident, i love it. if you're taping me. >> maybe you're taping me? you could be a cop. >> i could. my father's a cop. my brother -- >> yeah. >> long island, new york, march 3rd, 2010, susan williams, a mother of four in the affluent community of garden city pauses to contemplate her actions, looking directly into a camera in an undercover vehicle some 30
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miles from mid-town, manhattan. >> the tape tells the whole story. >> he's a schmuck. this is just going on forever. >> susan called her husband a schmuck when she was talking to the under cover detective. it's distinctive to this region in a derogatory term when you call somebody a schmuck. if you listen to her tone, the by a she said it is so, like she hates him. >> you want him dead? >> god, i don't want to say it. you said it. >> you want him dead? >> i schmeared this, sorry. >> schmeared means crushed, nothing left of that line, think of that tire park on the ground and everything else is pulverized. that's the schmeared. >> susan's animosity has intensified over time. she and peter williams marry in 19 european. he builds a business, developing
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fences and dumpters and purchasing a home worth $2 million. >> when you start to peel back the layers of the onion, you have two people incredibly unhappy. there were transgressions in their marriage. they were going through an incredible acrimonious divorce. one of the players decided to take it to the level that you don't see very often. >> he had a cash business, his fencing business. now, suddenly there is no money within they go to divide up the money. that's what was making her so angry. >> in 2008, susan contacts joe libella, a former police officer, working as a private investigator. he meets susan at a diner near her home. she makes an allegation about her husband's habits. >> she was getting beat up if divorce court. she wanted me to drum up some dirt on her husband. she said he used an alcoholic. he can polish off a case of beer a day, if not two.
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she said her kids are young and that they're in the car with him. >> on susan's orders, he begins tailing peter's car. one night, he says, he spots an intoxicated peter swerveing between lanes and phones 911. >> i then notified susan they had placed him under arrest for dui. she was extremely ecstatic. job well done, great, praising me up and down. >> peter pleads not guilty t. case is still pending. either way, the arrest does little to solve susan's divorce issues and a year-and-a-half later, she summons him to the don'ter again, for a different assignment. >> she kind of like leans over, she's like, i want him to disappear. you know, it didn't really register with me right away. i'm like, disappear? i'm like, can you elaborate, what do you mean disappear? she's like, i want him gone, i want him erased out of my life. i was told are you the man to
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get this done. i'm like, you mean like whacked? and she kind of nodded the head, yeah, that's how you say it. i called up a friend in the da's office, i'm like, listen, i got a problem. >> any time somebody comes to us with something like this we taik take a step back. with enow have to start confirm what he told us and we did get video. because, of course the diner has video, people coming in and out. he's a former police officer, so he came to us and said, not a problem. i'll wear the wire and go in and talk to her and we said, no, that's not how we want this to work. >> instead, the district attorney's office instructs him to phone susan and say he's passing her off to a professional hitman, an actual nasa county detective with 20 years experience. >> i felt he was the right choice because i don't think a susan williams would speak as
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readily to someone who looked like, you know, a drug addict from the street. she wanted somebody who had a little more class. >> dovings listen in to the phone conversation. >> what are you doing? >> oh, i'm going to pick up my son. i'm taking him to choir practice. >> oh, doesn't that sound like fun? >> you know, we try to be good little catholics. >> she's making a joke about taking her kids to ccd and choir practice and we're all good catholic, yet, she's planning a murder, a murder of the man she's been married to, the father of her children. >> you still want to move forward? >> yeah. >> all right. very good. i have, umm, a buddy of mine that i reached out to that, umm, old school guy, very good. >> you can hear my voice and like i'm talking like, you know, hey, we're going to do this, don't worry about this. we'll take care of it. he's an old school friends, he's f'ing crazy, you know. >> during the prior conversation, he told susan there are two choice, murder or
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a legs pricey alternative, he calls, option b. i said, what do you want to have his brains bashed in, siping through a straw in a coma? se said, that would be nice. >> there's no turning back now. >> no, i zbluns okay. so either option a, option b. you remember those, right? >> yes. >> okay. so kick that around and, you know, digest that. and then, umm, don't, please, you don't, speak to anyone, don't even look in the mirror and speak to yourself. >> i would say that was his dramatic fleurish. we tell them to keep it simple, to the point. that was just his personality. >> so we'll have coffee, me and a friend of mine and you and then we'll move forward from there. >> all right. sounds good. >> all right, cutie. >> all right, thanks, sweetie. >> all right. >> thanks so much. >> all right, baby. >> that is something the defense is going to cross you on, cutie, sweetie, honey, he said, i call
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everybody honey, except me, i think he was afraid of me. >> they want him to bring her to the diner. this time they ask her to lead her to a parking lot and turn her over to the alleged hit man while detectives watch from a series of nearby vehicles. the undercover uses the pseudonym nick. >> nick. >> i'm not too far away. >> sure. >> the introductions go smoothly until investigators realize the video camera inside the under cover's car isn't working. >> this is the world you live n. you hope for the best. sometimes you come up a little short. but we were very lucky in this case to be able to back that up with enough audio to evaluate the sum and substance of what the conversation was. >> i'm in a nasty divorce. . >> i'm afraid to talk, is it
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terrible? >> if someone thought there was any chance of being taped, they would not engage in this type of crime. she kept going ahead, even though she made reference to the fact she might possibly be taped. >> i would like him to be hurt. i can't ask for more than i can afford. that's really where i stand. >> okay. >> her biggest concern was if he ends up dead from a bullet in his head, they're going to come looking for me, because everybody knows we have this awful contentious divorce. so can't we make it look like an accident? >> if hesion in an accident and ends up dead, i'm great. >> if you want him dead, it's going to be $20,000 is there that's it? ha ha. >> all right. >> she's expressing surprise at the fact that it was cheaper to have her husband killed than she thought it was >> i need a picture, not his prom picture.
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>> in order to have a crime of conspiracy, it's an overt act. if she pays him, gives him that photo with information to find him. it has to be an act that gets it moving. >> the plan is to stage one more meeting to confirm susan's intent and insure this time it's all captured on video. >> he's scum. he's scum. all right. you know, so, no, i'm not going to feel bad. .
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i have a woman and a kid moving towards a convoy. she's got a grenade. >> you say a woman and a kid. >> did you get eyes on this? can uconn firm? 12k3w4r negative, your call. >> you are fried if you are wrong. i find it the most beautiful blase to live. you have high rollers in the north shore, high rollers in the
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south shore. don't be fooled, there is just as much cookie stuff going on in long island as there is in the city. it's just at a different level. sometimes it's at the same level. >> you're looking at security cam video of joe libella, a former detective turned private investigator and susan williams, a mother of four from the tony community of garden city, fork, at a diner near her home. it's here while her neighbors order cheeseburgers and platters that susan asks him to kill her estranged husband, peter. >> this was something i wasn't really prepared for. >> after contacting the nasa county district attorney's office, he introduces susan to an under cover detective posing as a hitman. >> hi, susan. >> i said to the detective, if she feels like she can trust you, then she'll open up and talk to you. if she doesn't, then, you know,
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she might get out of the car and walk away. >> on march 3rd, 2010, in eisenhower park in the town of east meadow, cameras roll, detectives monitor from a number of under surveillance vehicles nearby. >> i haven't been sleeping, what am i doing? i'm crazy. >> have you the nervousness the obvious picture of someone who has never done this before. it doesn't mean they're not capable of doing it. >> let me tell you what my husband did to me. my husband gave me hiv, they ripped out my cervix. >> how did you get cancer. >> he was screwing around, hiv turns into cancer if you don't get it taken care of. it was sitting in me three years. >> so she did fight cancer, but there was no way to connect that he gave it to her because she was having affairs and she was living a wilder lifestyle than she let on. it could have happened, you know, in any number of ways.
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>> i might have met somebody and wanted to have a child. >> now you can't? >> now i can't. >> she gives an awful lot of herself away. it's almost as if she's going through this purging, she's going through this kind of tricked down the memory lane of her life. >> thinking aloud, susan wonders whether she should picks i pick option a, murder, or a less expensive debilitating injury they term option b. >> if he's hurt, my kids are grand jury to go crazy, they're going to feel bad for him. he's still going to hire more attorneys, he's just so angry. either way, it's not, i know it's tough in the end. but you get over it. >> she doesn't say, oh, my children will be without their father, she says, he's not in their life, they'll get over it. >> i could do like a car accident. >> yeah. >> but you got to tell me. >> what's the germany tee? >> here's the thing, you got to tell me about him, about his habits. >> susan alleges that her
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husband has a drinking problem. >> if it's an accident, i love it. >> an accident? >> i think she had the vision of what her new life was going to be, no more money problems, she'd have his life insurance money, no more divorce problems, no more fighting in court. she'd have everything. >> i don't have any emotion, i mean i, do but i don't. >> you're scaring me. >> but it's the detective's gentle manner that's starting to worry deputy chief district attorney ann donnelly. >> she's going to say, this person is kaim capable of killing someone, he's too nice. as a woman myself, have you to be such a hard person. so i said to the detective, you don't have to be so nice. he said, nice works for me and it did, obviously. >> did you ever do this before? >> no. i know, i shoulda been a policeman. i was going to be a police woman. >> she's asking to do this terrible thing, she has to make herself look good. i come from a law enforcement family, i almost became a police officer, i'm not really a bad
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person. >> susan, you want to walk away from me, we never met, have a good life, see you later, that's find. i don't give a rat's ass. >> i don't, i would love to just do this and do it done. i'm going crazy i have to get rid of my hard drive. it's all to make sure so when the cops come to my house, i know the proper expression and what not to say and what to say when they come to me. that's what i think about. >> she's actually thinking ability, do i look sad? how do i act? she's obviously thought about this day after day, night after night, how to pull off this sad widow on with her new life. >> yet as guilty as susan sounds, police say she hasn't done enough to be placed under arrest. investigator itself will remain patient because they understand she intends to continue talking. >> if i could do it myself, i would.
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march 3rd, 2010, a parking lot in eisenhower park on long island, about 30 minutes from mid-town, manhattan. >> hi, you said you want him gone, not walking the earth anymore. okay. what do you got? >> i just have a picture. >> susan williams, a mother of four, meets with an under cover detective posing as an assassination for hire. the intended target, susan's estranged husband, peter williams. >> you should cut yourself out of that picture. >> she gives him that photo. in her mind the murder is as good as happened. and she took such care to write the information on the back and explain it to the detective. >> what's on the back here? >> i just put his birthday to see how hold he is. >> authorities are hesitant to
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charge susan with any crime until they see money changing hands. >> so i should give you some money, right? >> yes. >> hundreds, huh one, two, three, four, five. >> you wanted ones? >> no. >> are they real? are they dry yet? >> the detectives were always told to count the money so you can hear it in case the video isn't working or something. >> it's not going to be done today, obviously, or tomorrow. >> i know. >> it's not going to be done for a while. >> water going on in his mind, we don't want her to contact someone else, hey, it's been 24 hours, i haven't heard he's been run over. >> detectives allow susan to leave the scene. >> all right. >> talk to you later. >> it's a much easier and calmer arrest processing when you knock on someone's door, we're here to talk to you, we have a search wampbt, as opposed to everyone trying to converge at that moment in the middle of eisenhower park.
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if she jumps in her car and starts to drive away, now we have a chase which is a situation we don't want. >> within 24 hours, susan is picked up at her $12 million house in prosperous garden city, new york. but as jailhouse tapes reveal, she and her 20-year-old daughter alexis have come up with a plan to underpine the case. >> i took everything, dude, two, three full suit indications and your thing of files. every single paper that's in your house with your name on it. >> you don't know how much i love you. >> we find out that there was a change to peter's insurance policy. a forgery took place. those papers are in her house, that's what she's asking her daughter to go in the house and get. >> and your father didn't see? >> he's like, i don't think this is a good idea and so i started screaming at the top of my lung, telling him i'm going to call the cops and say they hit me. >> it was so disturbing to hear
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a young girl be proud of all of the things that she did and getting this i got this mom, he'll never know, it's great. it shows such a level of clear dysfunction in that family. >> alexis is never charged with any crime. >> this call may be recorded or monitored. i have a prepaid call from. >> susan. >> an inmate alt nassau county jail. >> susan should know authorities are listening, but it apparently makes no difference and the greying, weathered version of susan who faces jurors later that year seems overwhelmed. >> i want it done as soon as possible, if i could do it, myself, i would. >> the tape was the center of the trial. we would show the clip, she said, if you are taping me, you know, i'm screwed. and that showed that she knew what she was doing was wrong. >> susan's defense counters that joe libella the private investigator, who learns about
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the plot, during the meeting with susan at this long island diner is a master manipulator, whose goal has been to entrap a vulnerable mother. >> there was no instance where you could even remotely buy into the fact that she was entrapped in this case. >> anyway, this is his business address williams fence. this is what he drives. >> most of what you hear comes out of susan williams' mouth. >> you know, if it's an accident, i love it. >> as the former detective sits through the trial and watches susan on tape, he has second thoughts about his role in the case. >> i wanted to be a cop. my father. >> so did i. >> my brother is a policeman. >> i swear to god, god as my judge, if i knew that she had new york city cops, i wouldn't be sitting here today. i would have went to her father, to her brother and said, look, cop-to-cop, your sister, your daughter, is looking to do something. you got to talk to her.
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but i never knew. >> in november, 2010, susan is convicted of conspireing to murder her husband as well as possession of a forged instrument for falsifying the life insurance document. >> it's a shame. one minute you're saying i do, it's beautiful. then you know one day you wake up, it just goes to [ bleep ]. >> do people ignore the fact that they're being taped in these situations? i don't know if they ignore the facts or they don't want to believe it. >> no, i don't have any emotions, i mean, i do, but i don't. i'd love to just do this and get it done. >> they want so much for this outcome to happen, they don't want to believe this person could be taping them. >> if an accident, he ends up dead, i'm great. >> few want him did, it's going to be $20,000. >> that's it? >> ha ha. >> ha, ha, ha. >> all right.
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murder for hire plots, caught on camera. >> we're talking about murder here. >> i know we are. >> in north carolina, a preschool teacher asks a stranger to throw her husband into a power line. >> i know i'm a cold hearted pit bitch. but that's, that. >> a preschool teacher, she's everyone's next door neighbor. >> in new york, a


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